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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 16:29:00 -
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Sorry, this whole thing doesn't wash. I'll eat my hat if it comes out as misconduct, but as far as I can see it's another "omg bob hax0r whine whine I'm quitting" moment. Had anyone but goonswarm come forward with this, I might be able to credit it with some validity, but the goons have shown themselves to be distrusworthy in-game, so why should we assume them to be trustworthy outwith the game?
The way I see it, the war ain't going so well for the goons anymore - instead of admitting defeat like any honourable soldier would, they're crying wolf and bailing out. As I say, I'm far from infallable - but indignation is often used by the disingenuous to cover their tracks whilst they escape, and the prejudice agsainst bob is widely held and an easy tool to use as a means to this end.
Au revoir!
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 16:53:00 -
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Quote: I want to know if MSN is an authorized 3rd party programme in relation to the game. If not I want whomever reported the ISD incident to CCP banned as they have broken the rules of player conduct. :)
Such statements are disclaimers, used in the same way that laws like "Breach of the Peace" are in the UK - as a preventative measure to ensure that they do have the power to eject individuals lawfully from the game should it come to light that they are using software that gives them an ADVANTAGE within the game.
If there is misconduct through MSN, then it's not the software that causes this but the individuals relationship. If you are to follow your post to it's conclusion, the use of our web browsers to access this site infringes upon the disclaimer you mentioned, as would the use of ANY application on your machine that was not developed by CCP.
Now, I know this statement was made in good humour, but there's enough people misinterpreting things in this incident that even this requires clarification.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 17:13:00 -
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Quote: they've sent petitions about this issue but petitions got deleted, why? noone knows.
I would presume becaue they either got a group of people to all file the same petition (against the rules), or they filed it under the "stuck" section (again, against the rules).
To allow themselves to remain credible, they should've spent this week attempting to get it rectified through all the official channels (petitions in proper sections, emails to internalaffairs) - but by crying wolf, they have thrown any credibility they had into the wind. Had they taken their time and "exposed" this incident with some credible evidence after attempting to do things the right way, I'd be 100% behind them. As it is, I'm 100% amused by the petty nature of this thread, the childish attitude of the anti-bob squad and the running around shouting "WE DIDN'T LISTEN! WE DIDN'T LISTEN!" about the apalling t20 affair.
Besides: Could someone please explain to me what a GM checking a bugged pos has to do with cheating, BOB or in fact anyone other than the GM, the pos and the corp in question? No - because it doesn't. Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq anyone? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 17:38:00 -
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Quote: What I meant to say was that if they are using MSN instead of the petition system to contact people outside of the chain of the petition system then surely using MSN in that context is a breach of the player conduct rules.
/Signed
If the direct contact between players and developers is resulting in a benefit to the player, then there should be a flat policy that CCP employees cannot disclose any insider information (much like the competition laws in the UK) on the game in any way shape or form through all out-of-game forms of communication on the threat of dismissal.
It'd be deeply unfair to enact such a policy retroactively, but I'd like to see that line drawn in the sand. As I've made clear, I think this is a storm in a teacup - but such actions would go a long way to mitigate the damage caused by the short sighted so-called "whistleblowers" here and would help bring back the trust within the eve community as a whole.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 17:43:00 -
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Quote: Goonfleet are hypocrits because they have a bad reputation? What is the causal link between having a bad reputation and being a hypocrit?
Just curious, I mean, I can see how being a hypocrit can cause you to have a bad reputation, but I'm kind of lost about how a bad reputation makes you a hypocrit.
The OP meant that they are hypocritical by shouting "OMG HAX!" given that many within the community consider them to have used exploits themselves. Personally, I've always quite liked the goons up until this debacle - good allies, good enemies and a good laugh on voice comms.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.26 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 26/05/2007 18:17:57
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
I would presume
Yeah, thats your problem.
And that's rather presumptuous! Make a point or leave, troll.
Edited to remove my own profanity.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:02:00 -
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Let's get some things straight please:
1) ISD Members are volunteers. They are only paid in kind for their work, and so "firing" one is hardly the end of the world, whereas t20 does this for a living. His actions way back when may have been stupid at best, but let's be honest; do you really think depriving a man of his livelihood is the solution, especially after he came clean to the community?
2) The test servers are a completely different environment. It's a different cluster, a different client and a different server, and as such one could easily produce different results trying the same things between Tranquility, Singularity and Chaos - and that's even if they patch the test server back to the same software revision as used on TQ!
3) This particular incident arose on a holiday weekend, when I'm sure CCP were on a skeleton staff. It's only Monday now (and still technically a holiday!) so give them a break - we've been updated all weekend on this, and as the t20 affair CCP are willing to take the hit to their reputation in the name of honesty and integrity.
Give it a break - What more can we ask of them than what Arkanor has done, which is to grab the torches and pitchforks and rampage through the CCP offices on a holiday weekend?
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:23:00 -
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Quote: They are doing jack ****e about the MSN scandal or else it would have been mentioned by now.
Is it a "scandal" befriending the tech support guy at your work? Is it showing "favouritism" when you call him up to tell him there's a system problem on his personal phone because you know he's more inclined to answer that at 3am than the callout phone?
You're completely neglecting the human equation!
Besides - I'm sure you've all kicked off more than enough of a stink already that it will be touched upon. Stop getting your knickers in a twist about it...
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